DidierSpaier wrote: ↑12. Sep 2022, 21:33 Easier way to double (or more) your RAM: swap in zram.
PS If you like IceWM, Absolute Linux has it.
You kinda missed the point here only 2 times ...
I was writing about the marketing (USP) and about 'reasonable ... thinking / handling ...'
There is no magic -- ZRAM takes a part of RAM and uses it as swap space with compressed data, and that might work for your use case, BUT, if someone is missing the RAM, then ZRAM won't help.
Remember SGI graphics workstations from yore? 16 ~ 32 MB RAM and photo-compositing. It worked because of Alias Eclipse and proxy-images.
Today we have 128 / 256 GB RAM, 32 GB had my 10-year-old laptop, but today we didn't come further when it comes to 'one can't have enough RAM' problematic.
Some people actually use their computers to do some real work ... cut movies, or make fascinating images ...
https://ourplnt.com/mont-blanc-365-giga ... est-photo/
https://petapixel.com/2022/01/05/this-7 ... f-artwork/
As of "If you like IceWM" ... I can think reasonably, which isn't necessary everybodies pair of shoes ...
IceWM vs Xfce:
Facts stay facts.
Exact same installations, no tweaks or optimizations ...
With other words, IceWM should use even fewer resources, if everything is done properly.
However, THE main issue is that the average Linux user (see DW, forums ...) likes to discuss (things they can't understand) RAM usage, and all they know and understand is what numbers they can read in TOP.
Or TWM?
There are only two problems -- Neither OpenBox, nor TWM will use significantly fewer resources, but they are ugly.
IceWM is simple and beautiful, and very 'Windows-like', which is what most people want and expect.
Adding some Tint's or such atop of OpenBox to make it look like what people expect, would make OB's resources usage higher than IceWM's, and the functionalities still wouldn't be there, or too complicated to manage.
WTF? ? ?
1. Of course you have the control -- you don't send them the bad, but only the good screenshots, and then they have a choice among 'the good', 'the gooder' and 'the goodest'! (Yep, I know it's the good / better / best.)
2. https://distrowatch.com/images/slinks/salix.png
Plain, simple Desktop screenshot, without anything open, and you're good to go!
Nobody denied the achievement, BUT, now you don't want to become 'dormant' again, but you want people to talk about you, which brings us back to marketing and USP ...djemos wrote: ↑13. Sep 2022, 08:39 [1] Consider that made from just one developer. All that should be mentioned is a big "thank you" to Gapan the creator and developer of the distribution for taking the time to create the salix xfce 15.0 release.
[2] Regarding the other versions, e.g. icewm, openbox, mate etc this takes time and work. It's not just changing some programs or wallpapers. Anyone who has dealt with creating a distribution derivative understands. A lot of time is needed and work.
It would be EXTREMELY easy for Gapan to make a 32-bit IceWM-only edition, as there is already a 32-bit edition. It only takes a couple of minor changes, something like to add SpaceFM, replace Light DM with Slim, add extra-light web browser (Surf -- just for the case, beside FF), remove or hide Thunar and few unneeded Xfce components, and that's it. I would make a few IceWM themes to accompany it all, and you're good to go.
And in regard of 64-bit Xfce edition, it would even be much easier: remove the Qogir icon-set, remove the *Qogir cursor (probably the worst and ugliest cursor ever made), remove the Salix-GTK theme and artwork, and replace them with the material which I provide. Add a few minor panel / desktop configuration tweaks, and you're done ... in an hour, or two?
* A good cursor either has to look good, or to be usable, if possible both, but the Qogir cursor is none of both.
Yep, and that's why it was 'dormant' on DW -- because nobody ever talked about it.
And also, there are users and users -- what some hate, the others love and vice versa, and -- the people would talk about Salix.
In ideal case, one would like to have a 'install and use' edition for everybody, and not to start with removing pagers and adding the essentials like the battery / energy manager to your panel.
Why even bother presenting it on DW after all? A couple of nerds in the forum know that it's there. Isn't that enough?
There's no new 32-bit only HW for more than 15-years, so, if someone really needs a computer, buying one every 10 ~ 15 years wouldn't be an overkill.
IceWM is a good choice for an old computer and, it doesn't need much to get a functional desktop. What it is really missing is a GUI configuration, but that's why the Art-Editions -- everything comes properly preconfigured and ready to use upon install, and there's NO NEED to change absolutely anything -- who WANTs to fiddle and reconfigure, is, of course, free to do so.
OpenBox plus Tint or FB aren't better looking, nor easier to use, nor use significantly fewer resources, so, yeah ...
Apropos Slackel, it could also need some lift-up ...
It's about attracting more people, and about make the people talk about you.hugok wrote: ↑12. Sep 2022, 21:59 @missTell I really liked the idea of the Editions and the artwork!
Being Slackware based salix is hard to stay visible on Distrowatch, so it would be good for salix promotion.
About the IceWm version, I couldn't agree more because I'm the Portuguese translator of antiX and IceWM! So I quite enjoy the speed and "low resource" IceWM environment.
Just like in show business ... film stars ... an actress kissed a girl during dinner, and the next day, all the newspapers and the internet are full of "Is she a bi"? The most important in such 'scandal' is that people talk about it, and that one doesn't go down "the sands of time" ...
USP -- The Unique Selling Point
And the only thing where Salix can become different from all other 300 all-the-same distributions is by offering such Art-Editions.
Nobody on Earth but me has the Dracula or Fatale Pink, or ... IceWM themes, and even in the case of Xfce, where anybody can simply download and install the stuff, many people don't know how to install it properly. So, you make them a service, and you issue that the people talk about you at the same time. Kinda win-win situation, isn't it?